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	<description>Gerard Cunningham writes 200 words at a time</description>
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		<title>By: Gerard Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, the style you describe, with an opening quotemark at the start of each par, and a closing quotemark only at the end of the entire quotation, is standard practice in journalism. Jason, like me, is a journalist. Sorry if it&#039;s confusing for you, but you&#039;ll find the same style in pretty much every English-language newspaper in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, the style you describe, with an opening quotemark at the start of each par, and a closing quotemark only at the end of the entire quotation, is standard practice in journalism. Jason, like me, is a journalist. Sorry if it&#8217;s confusing for you, but you&#8217;ll find the same style in pretty much every English-language newspaper in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Carr</title>
		<link>http://faduda.ie/200-words/free-speech-or-worthy-speech/comment-page-1#comment-4835</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

You provided opening quotation marks for the first paragraph but you didn&#039;t close them at the end of the paragraph.  For the second paragraph, you provided new opening quotation marks and you closed them at the end of what you wanted to quote.  

Therefore, it was not clear to me whether what was written in the first paragraph was written originally by you or Gerard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>You provided opening quotation marks for the first paragraph but you didn&#8217;t close them at the end of the paragraph.  For the second paragraph, you provided new opening quotation marks and you closed them at the end of what you wanted to quote.  </p>
<p>Therefore, it was not clear to me whether what was written in the first paragraph was written originally by you or Gerard.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://faduda.ie/200-words/free-speech-or-worthy-speech/comment-page-1#comment-4834</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerard Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m not sure the art world has any criteria left to make meaningful qualitative judgements.&quot;

Well yes, that was kind of my point. [insert smiley icon here]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m not sure the art world has any criteria left to make meaningful qualitative judgements.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well yes, that was kind of my point. [insert smiley icon here]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Walsh</title>
		<link>http://faduda.ie/200-words/free-speech-or-worthy-speech/comment-page-1#comment-4833</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, 

I do close the quotation marks – at the end of the next paragraph. It&#039;s normal publishing style to leave the quotation open if it is broken over multiple paragraphs because it is a single statement. 

I also think Gerard&#039;s statement is perfectly clear: people are often all for free speech until they have to defend someone they don&#039;t like. Such an argument is not free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, </p>
<p>I do close the quotation marks – at the end of the next paragraph. It&#8217;s normal publishing style to leave the quotation open if it is broken over multiple paragraphs because it is a single statement. </p>
<p>I also think Gerard&#8217;s statement is perfectly clear: people are often all for free speech until they have to defend someone they don&#8217;t like. Such an argument is not free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Walsh</title>
		<link>http://faduda.ie/200-words/free-speech-or-worthy-speech/comment-page-1#comment-4832</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tell me, who gets to decide what is art and what is mere childish scribblings?&quot;

I&#039;m not sure you want to get me started on that particular issue. I&#039;m not sure the art world has any criteria left to make meaningful qualitative judgements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tell me, who gets to decide what is art and what is mere childish scribblings?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure you want to get me started on that particular issue. I&#8217;m not sure the art world has any criteria left to make meaningful qualitative judgements.</p>
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		<title>By: faduda</title>
		<link>http://faduda.ie/200-words/free-speech-or-worthy-speech/comment-page-1#comment-4831</link>
		<dc:creator>faduda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those were my words Paul, quoted by Jason Walsh. And whether you think Hustler is an admirable publication or not, most people would not regard them as a paragon of human rights or good taste. And by the way. Hustler didn&#039;t have to go to the Supreme Court to defend the right to free speech because they published explicit nude photographs, but because they published a cartoon satirising a religious figure.

The point I was making is, there&#039;s always someone (and usually quite a few people) who will regard the person whose free speech rights are under attack as undeserving of protection.  That&#039;s pretty much why the ACLU defend unpopular causes, and make themselves unpopular. Attacks on civil liberties always start by attacking unpopular segments of society. If you wait until beloved institutions are gagged, then it&#039;s too late. Your rights are already gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those were my words Paul, quoted by Jason Walsh. And whether you think Hustler is an admirable publication or not, most people would not regard them as a paragon of human rights or good taste. And by the way. Hustler didn&#8217;t have to go to the Supreme Court to defend the right to free speech because they published explicit nude photographs, but because they published a cartoon satirising a religious figure.</p>
<p>The point I was making is, there&#8217;s always someone (and usually quite a few people) who will regard the person whose free speech rights are under attack as undeserving of protection.  That&#8217;s pretty much why the ACLU defend unpopular causes, and make themselves unpopular. Attacks on civil liberties always start by attacking unpopular segments of society. If you wait until beloved institutions are gagged, then it&#8217;s too late. Your rights are already gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Carr</title>
		<link>http://faduda.ie/200-words/free-speech-or-worthy-speech/comment-page-1#comment-4830</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh My God!! 

I&#039;m referring to Jason Walsh&#039;s freeview forth article.

It is written:

&quot;“If you look at the landmark free speech cases in the US, the people the ACLU defend are never nice people – they defend neo-Nazis who want to march in Skokie, Illinois and they defend Hustler magazine.&quot;.

Now, it&#039;s not clear to me whether it was Gerard Cunningham or Jason Walsh who originally wrote this because Mr Walsh opens but doesn&#039;t close the quotation marks..

However, I must say I don&#039;t agree with that statement at all at all. First of all, I don&#039;t agree that Hustler magazine are never nice people and secondly I don&#039;t agree with comparing Hustler magazine to neo-Nazis.

So what is so &quot;never nice&quot; about Hustler magazine?

Is it because it was one of the first major men&#039;s magazines to show much more explicit views of female genitalia back in the early 70s?  Is it because it was the first US magazine to show public hair?

Pray tell, please enlighten me!!

I must say I find this comparison very bizarre. (though very Irish!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh My God!! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m referring to Jason Walsh&#8217;s freeview forth article.</p>
<p>It is written:</p>
<p>&#8220;“If you look at the landmark free speech cases in the US, the people the ACLU defend are never nice people – they defend neo-Nazis who want to march in Skokie, Illinois and they defend Hustler magazine.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now, it&#8217;s not clear to me whether it was Gerard Cunningham or Jason Walsh who originally wrote this because Mr Walsh opens but doesn&#8217;t close the quotation marks..</p>
<p>However, I must say I don&#8217;t agree with that statement at all at all. First of all, I don&#8217;t agree that Hustler magazine are never nice people and secondly I don&#8217;t agree with comparing Hustler magazine to neo-Nazis.</p>
<p>So what is so &#8220;never nice&#8221; about Hustler magazine?</p>
<p>Is it because it was one of the first major men&#8217;s magazines to show much more explicit views of female genitalia back in the early 70s?  Is it because it was the first US magazine to show public hair?</p>
<p>Pray tell, please enlighten me!!</p>
<p>I must say I find this comparison very bizarre. (though very Irish!)</p>
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		<title>By: faduda</title>
		<link>http://faduda.ie/200-words/free-speech-or-worthy-speech/comment-page-1#comment-4821</link>
		<dc:creator>faduda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, you&#039;re an art critic at times, as I understand it.

Tell me, who gets to decide what is art and what is mere childish scribblings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, you&#8217;re an art critic at times, as I understand it.</p>
<p>Tell me, who gets to decide what is art and what is mere childish scribblings?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Walsh</title>
		<link>http://faduda.ie/200-words/free-speech-or-worthy-speech/comment-page-1#comment-4818</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I see your point Gerard but... There are people arguing for something we might call &#039;priviliged&#039; speech rather than free speech but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what Finbar is doing.

He&#039;s saying we do have to defend things we don&#039;t like and he clearly doesn&#039;t like this artist. So, yes, he is making an intellectual and aesthetic judgement but he&#039;s still defending the work, just saddened that he has to.

No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I see your point Gerard but&#8230; There are people arguing for something we might call &#8216;priviliged&#8217; speech rather than free speech but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what Finbar is doing.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s saying we do have to defend things we don&#8217;t like and he clearly doesn&#8217;t like this artist. So, yes, he is making an intellectual and aesthetic judgement but he&#8217;s still defending the work, just saddened that he has to.</p>
<p>No?</p>
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